All the years in prison probably made her way more disturbed than she ever was. Refine Your Search Results. Lets also remember that this is the US of A and we dont lock people up for being narcissistic, antisocial histrionic individuals. Get Notified when Robert Arthur Knickerbocker's info changes. Diane was found guilty and sentenced to life and she has been in prison ever since. I think you may be right that she is likely still locked up due to her diagnoses of antisocial, histrionic and narcissistic, but again, no one would care and this crappy diagnosis wouldnt have been bought and paid for if not the high profile nature of the case. Right after the shooting, little Danny would ask the nurses, , Even Ann Rule in her book, keeps mentioning that, Every time, she said she did not know, they told her to think again and made suggestions. Christie was only eight, had suffered gunshot wounds and was in shock. I removed the dumb and crass part of your comment. In fact, if someone was Hungry like the Wolf in this courtroom, it was a certain crime author who could already smell and taste the fortune coming her way after the publication of this juicy story. This is a more common route for children with parents who are incarcerated for what looks to be the entire childhood of the children. As for how to answer this question,,, seems like he is assuming guilt and because of this my parents or me or my brothers and sister, our uncles and aunts were not considered because of an unproven allegation Does he truly believe this is ok??? The circumstances surrounding the crimes against these innocent children demand to be used as evidence.. My comment to you Lise is about your reply to a previous comment where you say Diane should have been released by now regardless of her statements. As a married man, the ball was in his court and he decided to go for it. During his travels, he visited prisons and spoke against this type of barbarism because his father was imprisoned for a debt of 40 pounds and 10 shillings when he was twelve years. How about dads side of the family? The fact that the DA adopted the children, since it was after the trial, is more of a gray area. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. Then ask yourself if thats how you want your son to grow up. . Plus, Diane could have never cleaned her clothes and her hair to remove blood and gun powder. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Not an easy situation for him as I would imagine. Thanks Kit, It is a bit of a mystery to me that not more people see that if we removed the high profile name and the accompanying media storm, the case was no slam dunk. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. The court can just do an APR, Assignment of Parental Rights. I felt there was something that should be done, but I was at a loss in how to cope with the Court that had given the children to the prosecutor and allowed false testimony to seal her fate. You do not refute any of the points I made in the blogs. That didnt seem right so we wrote a letter to Mr Hugi with a request for visitation rights. SPRINGFIELD, OR Before Charles Stuart in 1989, and before Susan Smith in 1994, Diane Downs made national headlines by claiming that an unknown assailant had violently attacked her and her family, causing outrage and making national headlines. Smith will face charges for allegedly killing her husband, Antione Smith. I still dont buy her story. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. Do you remember probably about four or five days after I am glad that some articles remain. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Rule sued the Seattle Weekly after they published the article titled Ann Rules Sloppy Storytelling, but she lost and had to make restitution. She was a first time offender who has shown no violent tendencies and is afflicted with a mental illness. The states own witness, Dr. George Suckow and Dr. Polly Jamison denounced Prosecutor Hugis practice as improper and unethical (Appendix 101 and 104). Robert Knickerbocker in Phoenix, AZ Robert Knickerbocker may also have lived outside of Phoenix, such as Carefree and Scottsdale. If the adult can show capacity and willingness to provide care, love and nurturing to the children, then there is no legal reason to prevent them from becoming Foster Carers. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Diane now had the title of dangerous offender. Diane ran away from her husband many times between 1976 and 1977, but with nowhere to go except her parents house, she would come back. David Kessler's top 4 tips for dealing with holiday grief. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. How could Christie say anything but the things they told her to say with that kind of influence? Yes, I had filed for divorce and then I canceled it. She (Diane) managed to jump in the car after getting shot in the arm. Detective Antoine also performed a trace metal test on Diane I S hands to detect the presence of trace metals left after someone has touched or held something metallic like a gun (Appendix 65). Dilantin is known to cause mental confusion and you can check it online, but consider the dosage she was on and it needs no clarification. Robert V Knickerbocker, 65 Resides in Saint Augustine, FL Lived In Henderson NV, Ooltewah TN, Turlock CA, Tucson AZ Related To Audrey Knickerbocker, Bryce Knickerbocker, Sean Knickerbocker, Barbara Knickerbocker, Ian Knickerbocker Also known as Robert V Knickerbocke, Robert V E Knickerbock, Bob Knickerbo Includes Address (7) Phone (4) Email (4) Except for Paul Cortez. Downs then fell in love with a married coworker named Robert Knickerbocker, who continuously promised Diane hed be with her and always reneged. I am a strong believer that pregnancy can do serious harm to some women. Instead, the person accused of attacking them and wanting them out of her life, fought for them. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. For the children to be legally free for adoption a termination of parental rights had to occur. Q. They claimed to have found two lead cartridges in Dianes rifle at home that supposedly matched the ones used during the crime. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. But the high profile nature of the case might hinder the process. I am not one sided. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom: I guess? AKA: Robert Knickerboc, Ruk K Knickerbocker, Robt Knickerbocker +12 more. Anything less is a conflict of interest. The DA that put away their mom is not an appropriate placement choice. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. She unwillingly followed the cops in spite of being in pain and not wanting to leave the premises. The way this investigation and the trial were conducted only left me with doubts. I do not care if the bushy haired stranger made no sense or if they could not explain the why of the tragedy, I do not care if she was madly in love with a guy because all that counts is proof and evidence in a court of law, and there was definitely a reasonable doubt. Doesnt change the fact that it was still a conflict of interest. No OTHER reason. James C. Jagger who was hired by Dianes father was an ex-Prosecutor. Robert is in his early sixties now and retired. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. Downs story also changed over the the course of several interrogations, leading police to suspect that there hadnt been a violent predator on the road that night at all, but rather Downs had attacked her own children and shot herself to make her story more believable. It was a harrowing, shameful miscarriage of justice. It gave Anne Rule carte blanche to legally use these labels in her book and it stuck. Its a rather large part of the story. Brewer stood ready to testify in June 1991, that it was because of Prosecutor Hugis lie that he changed his mind to convict and that he alone was responsible for silencing the dissenting votes of two other jurors (Appendix 97). She was fighting back and they did not like it. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. Some basic help and starters when you have to write a tribute to someone you love. Most get through it fine, maybe some complications or pain, maybe even some post pardum. Robert Knickerbocker first came into the eyes of the investigators when, upon arrival at the hospital to visit her children after the incident, Diane phoned him looking extremely calm. ABC MOVIE FOR TV Small Sacrifices 1989 Farrah Fawcett, Ryan ONeal. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. Foote then handled the juvenile docket and first encountered Downs when he ordered her two surviving children into state protective custody. The point is our trials need to be conducted fairly and based on evidence. It kinda scared me, the thought that mommy could shoot me, like this mommy did. But, as would be the case years later with both Stuart and Smith, the shocking truth eventually came to light that Diane Downs had allegedly lied about the deadly attack on her children. Most importantly why would anybody shoot 3 children potentially fatally and leave the adult with a wound in her arm. I think that she has done enough time and should be released. During closing arguments, Fred Hugi said that the murder weapon used by Diane was a Ruger, and the state had the model number and the bill of sale. Pinterest is an online pinboard. You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. But Ann Rules utterly biased account is an insult to investigative journalism and there seems to be very reasonable doubt here. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. This was ridiculed countless times in the media, but frankly, it can be a very honorable endeavor, depending onhow you want to look at it. Gunpowder is one of the toughest stains around, when it comes to removing it from clothes. Disclaimer: Reference to these media outlets or TV shows should not be construed to imply an endorsement or sponsorship of Spokeo or its products. He further added that he was relieved when she was transferred to Oregon because he could then successfully reconcile with his wife. The notes taken daily by the nurses became a point of contention at trial. In reply to Nick. The family moved to Mesa, Arizona, and Diane and Steve worked at the same mobile-home manufacturer. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. Knickerbocker reported to the police that Downs had stalked him and seemed . Mind you, it is before the trial. View Robert Knickerbocker results in Florida (FL) including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. Everyone deserves peace. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Do you REALLY believe she expected them to live especially since she drove at less than 10 mph. It was never a slam dunk. What kind of arrangement is appropriate, where should you send it, and when should you send an alternative? Did CK shoot at car when DD drove away? Re Diane Downs I invite reading Synopsis quite similar to above: OREGONs Juridical Small Sacrifices The fruit of this abduction was the May 23, 1983, videotape re-enactment staged by Detective Tracy in which Diane is clearly hysterical. The children should have been receiving therapy throughout. But the birth of little Danny did not make this bad boy change his stripes; he remained a cad and a destabilizing force in their lives. Reddit is a social news website where the registered users submit content, in the form of either a link or a text post. Grief researchers say holding that missing funeral service, even a year or more later, can still help us heal. http://www.glamour.com/story/i-found-out-my-mother-was-a-killer-the-rebecca-babcock-story. This test confirmed Diane had not held a gun. Page 40 of Case History. The case NEVER made sense to me. Downs called Robert Knickerbocker, a married man and a former coworker in Arizona with who she had been having an affair. That disinformation was alleged by Mr. Hugi the third day into Jim Jaggers defense and it was never objected to by Mr. Jagger . Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. At the very least, she should have been released by now. As a suggestion, I would love to see a like or dislike button for each comment. In 1991, David Brewer, a juror who deliberated Dianes fate in her 1984 trial, came forward to say he and another juror had decided to acquit Downs by the close of the States presentation. I try to bring out the details that were ignored because Down was so unpopular. 5. In the moment of who shot youmy momhave a hard time believing that could be coached. This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. Comments about the title of the website, the blogger, the bias, details like the word bipolar and when it was used when cyclothymic disorder was diagnosed by the person who treated the subject and there is an affidavit posted. Steve knew that Diane had multiple affairs, and that Danny was not his biological son, and he and Diane divorced in 1980. Diane was in the hospital for a bone graft from June 2nd until June 6th, 1983. It is because she is a high profile person. Downs herself had been shot in the forearm during what she claimed was a struggle with the mysterious stranger. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. She could not have been shot twice in the back while sitting up and have the bullet pierce her body to end up under the floorboard of the passenger side. I tried to contact you by email but my email wouldnt acknowledge you email address. Say Her Name - But Spell It Right - The Tale of Breonna Taylor, Scott Peterson Was not Entitled to a Perfect Trial, but he Was Entitled to a Fair One He Received Neither. View Robert Knickerbocker results including current phone number, address, relatives, background check report, and property record with Whitepages. They should have had ongoing contact and been placed with family as soon as they were out of the hospital and they never should have been interviewed without their own attorney (Guardian ad Litem) present. And even when confronted by the wrongful practices used at trial to get her convicted, are ok with her being locked up for life. You have that part absolutely right, so why was this protocol ignored? Diane didnt ask Knick to leave his wife. They did a trace metal test to see if Diane had held a gun. There have been behaviors that in the general course of events one may expect from a single parent that in a way have been falsely interpreted as being some form of evil.. Yes, I had to go and sign the lease, yes, sir. An attractive woman whose two children were killed in mysterious circumstances and the cops decided to go after her. Mainly because she is being kept caged due to her name recognition at this point, not her offense. Speculative. Regina, I love your comment! In 2008, a psych evaluation by L. Williams, Ph.D., Chief of Mental Health at Valley State Prison for Women, explained Dianes lack of emotions and its relationship to her case. You say she made more of a fuss about her arm than about the injuries her children sustained. Statistics for all 12 Robert Knickerbocker results: 77 yrs AVERAGE AGE 29% are in their 100s, while the average age is 77. Why doesnt the innocent project get involved with her case. Or that they are not even curious about it. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. The bio family should have been given the same opportunity to see the kids and demonstrate their ability to be the guardians. That testimony was left unchallenged by Mr. Jagger. She had one arm totally out of commission. The detectives took Diane to the crime scene and were able to retrieve shell cases on the ground where the incident happened. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. Were they involved in the plot too?? Simply because I researched them. I changed the sites email recently to thetroublewithjustice@hotmail.com When a unicorn and hungry like the wolf make their way into a court room during a high profile trial, its a red flag. Any thoughts on that? When I hear some people say that they would have liked to smack that smirk off Dianes face when she interacted with the cops or the media, I sayreadthis to understand accounts of people laughing at the wrong time and how it is related to their personality disorder. Her mom is still alive and would love to have contact but respect that they wont. What about the son saying that man and nurses noting that. That her child was basically forced to admit that she saw her mom shoot them? I wanted to ask you something on this case. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Q. To Lori I dont believe there was a CK. You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. No way. Not giving you free reign here. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. What a terrible injustice. The children had a father. I guess he did not want too many people to know about the improprieties that happened in his courtroom. This is what Mrs Downs had to say about the situation. You have a photo of Diane before the parole board. The men in her life were in no shape or form called on their irresponsible or wild behavior. Mr. Downs must have had a bad feeling about Jagger because before trial: speculation Because Foote was already familiar with the case, the presiding judge assigned him the murder trial after Downs was charged with the shootings. The grandparents were babysitting the children often and had several children who were well adjusted. As usual, Diane had resorted to the soothing comfort of a pregnancy to pretend life would get better; she would create a nest around her, come hell or high water. Blood, cuts, limo driver who saw him come in, the shoe print, the blood in the car and on the socks in his bedroom. But he overestimated the kind of people that would go along with this soap opera. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. Mind: Wrongful convicted. Downs tried to defend herself against the allegations and said, "Why would I have taken my kids to the hospital? I do not have to state anything at the beginning of the blog. After all, Cheryl Downs is basically serving a life sentence with no possibility of parole for her mothers crime. Be the first to post a memory or condolences. If you are not bothered by lack of due process and a prosecutor making up psychiatric labels and adopting kids from a defendant or a judge who gets promoted from family court to criminal court to hang Diane, I am sure bothered by it. 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